Hello Paul! I have some questions I hope you have time to answer.

[Paul Robinson]

When it begins to work you get more cortisol. This makes you sleep deeply after you take the dose containing NDT. If your sleep is very disturbed then begin with 2 or 3 hours before you are due to get up. Most people do not believe this works but when it does you sleep like a baby - because you are not short of cortisol anymore. Set your alarm clock to a fixed time and do it. If it is not a fixed time then you won't be able to judge the response and then adjust the new time.
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[Vigdis]

Oh, alarmclock... I am wondering what the man on the other side of the bed would think about that....

But I see your point clearly, Paul. So, I have in a way started, haven't I?

I often wake up between 3-5 in the morning, with heartbeat. Does this mean that what I feel with the heartbeat is my low cortisol?

[Paul Robinson]

Low cortisol - most likely. Also low FT3 in the cells may be an issue.

Use a mobile phone on vibrate under the pillow - no sound just a vibrating head on the pillow!!!!

[Vigdis]

Stupid of me not to think about the mobile phone

Do you think I could test a little amount of T3 some few days with my NDT just to see if it changed anything? Or do you think I would just be hyper? Could it be a possible try?

I feel like an old woman, I am around 50, and feel like 80, or more. My energy levels are too small. At evenings like now, at 6 o'clock, my energy for this day are used up. Nothing left. So now I have to turn off my computer. My house want a facelift The beds want new sheets and so on. But I feel drained... The rest of the evening is for relaxing. No more work today. What a dull way to live.....

[Paul Robinson]

Where do you want to work on this Vigdis ? Here on on Facebook? It is going to be hard to split this with some information in one place and some in another. I need to see the FT4 and FT3 on this NDT dosage. I also need cortisol readings - at least two - one before the first HC dose in the morning and one before a HC dose in the afternoon. Not urinary cortisol but serum cortisol.

Thanks,
Paul

[Vigdis]

I have a new appointment with my holistic Doc next week. I have to ask him for a new cortisol test.


My last bloodtest was 19.12 2011 (I will get answers from the latest tests next week)

Vit D3 83 (50-150) (it should be at least 125)
S-ALAT (< 45) 36
S-Anti-TPO (< 35) 27
S-DHEA-Sulfat (< 7.5) 9.9
S-Ferritin (15-200) 65
S-Folat (> 5.7) 38.5
FT4 (8-20) 13.8
FT3 (3.6-8.3) 6
TSH (0.5-3.6) 0.03
S-Iron (9-34) 22.7
S-iron saturation (15-50) 34
Vit B12 (170-650) 492
S-Testosteron (< 3) 1.7
U-Aldosterone (5-77) 18
U-Free Cortisol (45-272) 119

Dose Thyroid: 2.25 grain/140 mg
Dose HC: 22.5 mg
Dose Florinef: 0.1 mg
DHEA 25 mg
Small amount of testosterongel, oestreogel etc
50 mg pregnenolone
Bloodpressure: I do not know the numbers, but my GP say it is like a 20-year old (I am 51) I will try to get the results from him
Heartrate: around 70


I think my problem right now have been an too low Thyroid dose. In my opinion, it is one problem with all the Docs I have used: they want me on a small dose of thyroid medications. One year ago, I felt wery well. I used ca 1 grain more thyroid than now. And I used more hydrocortison than I have been using lately. But the latest weeks I tried to rise my Hc, and started to sleep better (also combined with 5-HTP, B6, melatonin etc) than before. So I guessed that a part of my fatigue problem was a too low hc-dose. After chatting with you yesterday, Paul, I added 0.15 mg thyroid on my dose, and felt better in the evening. So I think I shall carry on with Thyroid and see if it will help to rise the dose.

Back to Docs and blood tests: My experience with holistic Docs is that even they too depend too much to bloodtests. My Doc talk about that you can't know if everything comes in to the cell. But on the other hand he says "Your FT3 is too high". Sic! It is not easy to be a non-medical person in this situation. So, I have been listening too much to the Docs demand to lower my dose in spite of a rising FT3, and not listening enough to my body talk

Adrenals: I have a long story from childhood, I will not tell my tale here. But I belive my adrenals have been struggling since early childhood. This is one of the reasons I want to try LDN. I have a feeling that I maybe will have to use HC for the rest of my life. But this is something I do not know. It is a guess. But not totally out of the blue

[Paul Robinson]

V, I think I've answered this on Facebook already.

Here is a very short answer:

D is low
Iron is still a little low - saturation to 40% and ferritin higher
FT3 and FT4 can be higher, ignore TSH (low because of prolonged hypo state - ignore it)

You need to be using the Circadian T3 Method to raise cortisol. If cortisol is higher then cellular glucose and ATP will be higher and you'll get more FT3 and less reverse T3 - this is a big area.
Aldosterone is also low.

The Circadian T3 Method is going to be very important to you.

You need a BP meter at home as soon as possible - you can't use the CT3M without a BP meter as driving the adrenals can change BP. You need to be taking body temperature, heart rate and BP reading in the day. You need to create a daily journal with the date, the exact thyroid meds you are taking and what times you take them and you symptoms and signs results. This is far more important than blood tests of TSH, FT4, FT3.

Paul

[Vigdis]

Thank you for your answer, Paul I will find a BP meter as soon as possible. And start my journal

[Kevlin]

Use a mobile phone on vibrate under the pillow - no sound just a vibrating head on the pillow!!!!

Remember to turn the mobile off (radiance) - it will still vibrate on time
Husk stråling - ha aldri påslått mobil liggende i nærheten av hodet

[Vigdis]

If I added a small amout of T3 to my Thyroid dosis (and took away a bit of Thyroid) would I then be able to see a difference. I am sorry my head is filled with cotton today! I mean: could I take a kind of test with a very small amount of T3 togeether with my Thyroid. Would I then be able to see if the T3 only maybe was a solution?

You wrote another place

If someone has spent several years trying to use natural thyroid and their iron is Ok and everything else is OK and they are still unwell then T3 should be tried. Doctors try to tell people that there is 'some other problem' but it is rarely true - it is usually because the thyroid hormone treatment is not working.

I feel I could be one of those people! I have been using NDT/Thyroid for 3 years now. The latest months I have a feeling of moving backward into worse conditions.

I have tried to take Thyroid in the night (CT3 Metod) some nights now. I wake up with a heatbeat in the night, like 3-4-5 o'clock. But I still have that heartbeat after taking my Thyroid. And cannot sleep the rest of the night. You said earlier

You need to be using the Circadian T3 Method to raise cortisol. If cortisol is higher then cellular glucose and ATP will be higher and you'll get more FT3 and less reverse T3 - this is a big area.

So my question is: is my reaction to take Thyroid in the late night a kind of proof that I should start on T3 only?

Tonight I will start on my first dose of LDN, 1.5 mg.